21:16 <Crion> Movie night at The Wherehouse! Unless Stewart wants to host at his place? 21:16 <trenchfoot> Do we know what happens to movies in the Hedge? This might not be the one to try it out with. 21:17 <VoxPVoxD> He'd be happy to, if Melanie wanted to make the trip. She hasn't ever been to Stewart's apartment, to his knowledge. But the Wherehouse is fine too. 21:17 <Crion> Judging by previous exposure, it doesn't do anything immediately. You have to leave them in the Hedge awhile, and even then, it took a year or so for Jameson's Seinfeld collection to get truly strange. 21:18 <VoxPVoxD> Jimothy... 21:18 <Crion> Really the biggest issue is whether or not you want to expose Steve to Evangelion, though he might just, not be around. 21:18 <Crion> Who can tell with that guy. 21:18 <VoxPVoxD> Steve's seen weirder stuff. 21:18 <VoxPVoxD> ...right? Stewart knows Evangelion has a reputation but how weird can it get? 21:19 <trenchfoot> I mean, they drew so many cartoons that it looks like it's moving! 21:19 <banana> Melanie hasn't been to anyone's home since she came back to Baltimore. She's barely been to a few public buildings and the university. It's not that she doesn't want to, she's just afraid and feels like she'd be intruding and doesn't know how to act and you know, the usual. 21:19 <Crion> Lauren's response to that sentiment would be "yeah...probably," but with slight hesitation. 21:20 <VoxPVoxD> Wherever they are, Stewart says: "This movie's going to be in Japanese with subtitles - words on the screen - so if you've got reading glasses or something you're going to want them." 21:21 <trenchfoot> Nels: "It's neat that they finally found a way to put the words people were saying on the screen at the same time, instead of weird interstitials." 21:21 <Crion> Lauren would probably prefer the Wherehouse proper, both because it's safer and she spends a lot of time cooped up in the apartment anyway right now. 21:21 <VoxPVoxD> Yeah, let's do the Wherehouse. 21:22 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart wants to have people over at some point though... maybe for Christmas, or a housewarming type thing if Lauren moves in fully. oh god 21:23 <Crion> She'll make some snacks as everyone settles in and make sure the fridge is stocked. This was her idea, after all. 21:23 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart squints at the file name. "Evangelion-" he pronounces the g in Evangelion like the g in 'gif' "-one point eleven you are parentheses not alone." 21:24 <Crion> The Hedge sees what you did there. 21:24 <banana> Melanie's excited. "I'm excited. I've only seen American films before, and there's-" gesturing at The World "so much stuff out there. It's just too much to learn about all at once, what with all the local things.. and faerie realms.." 21:25 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Tell me about it." 21:25 <banana> She's made a little perch with a platform thing off to the side of the sofas and a couple of pot plants. It's vaguely comfortable, like being in a forest or something. 21:25 <VoxPVoxD> A couple of- oh plants in pots. 21:26 <Crion> They could be potted pot plants. 21:26 <trenchfoot> It's... it's potted plants. In America. 21:26 <banana> Melanie: "How was world history teaching back then? We had like.. I don't remember much, but world wars - we won - and Britain colonising America. That was basically it." 21:27 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Mostly they didn't talk about it to me. Had to go digging myself." 21:28 <banana> Melanie: "Lauren, is there anything we should know first? Like about Japanese society." 21:30 <trenchfoot> Nels: "I don't think that's how you spell works." 21:30 <Crion> Lauren: "Hmmm. I don't think so...? We'll find out." 21:30 <Crion> "Oh. Japanese society is really obsessed with high school." 21:31 <Crion> "Which is why high schoolers are protagonists in a lot of its mass media." 21:31 <banana> Melanie: "That's all pretty ruined." 21:31 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart winces. 21:32 <banana> o_o 21:32 <trenchfoot> "He... came to this weird town where everything is bloody and destroyed because a pretty lady gave him a picture?" 21:33 <banana> "Seems like it was a bad idea." 21:34 <trenchfoot> "Is that one of those nuclear weapons I read about?" 21:34 <Crion> Apropos of nothing: "Oh this movie is incredibly horny, by the way." 21:34 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Wow that is overt atomic bomb imagery." 21:34 <Crion> Lauren: "Yep." 21:34 <banana> Melanie: "I'm amazed the girl actually showed up." 21:35 <banana> "Gills??" 21:35 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Okay, they should have seen that one coming. If you say 'it's over' it never actually is." 21:35 <Crion> "Misato is like...24? In this movie? So basically ancient. Unspeakably old." 21:35 <VoxPVoxD> "I like her car." 21:36 <trenchfoot> Nels: "That's the wrong side of the car, isn't it?" 21:36 <VoxPVoxD> "Outside the US most cars are like that." 21:36 <trenchfoot> "I don't like that guy." 21:36 <banana> Melanie: "I like the doomsaying calm guy." 21:36 <banana> "Wait, is that the guy you don't like?" 21:36 <Crion> Lauren: "Good instincts and bad instincts, respectively." 21:37 <VoxPVoxD> "God's in his Heaven and all's right with the world." 21:37 <trenchfoot> Nels nods, but she's still focused on the subtitles. 21:37 <banana> "They're both Ikari. Must be the dad." 21:37 <Crion> Lauren: "It's a quote from...Yeats?" 21:37 <Crion> "Some poet." 21:38 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart, who knows virtually nothing of poetry, nods. 21:38 <Crion> Lauren: "This is so much more expensively animated than the TV show, it's unreal." 21:38 <banana> "Amazing imagery. Largely incomprehensible." 21:39 <VoxPVoxD> "I assume this was made after the TV show got really big and popular?" 21:39 <trenchfoot> Nels: "It's really - um, 'pretty' isn't quite right..." 21:39 <Crion> Lauren: "Yeah, like...twenty years later? Once he was hugely successful and could demand a massive budget." 21:40 <banana> "Ahahaha!" 21:40 <banana> "God I wish I could do that. Just fall out of sigh ton a glowing elevator when I'm done." 21:40 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Some reunion." 21:41 <VoxPVoxD> "He doesn't care about his son at all." 21:41 <trenchfoot> Nels: "He does, as a tool." 21:41 <Crion> Lauren: "Which is honestly kind of worse." 21:41 <banana> Melanie: "Unfortunately that's the most normal thing going on here." 21:42 <trenchfoot> "...angels, cross-shaped explosions..." 21:42 <VoxPVoxD> "So wait he walks in the door and he has to go right back out to fight some kind of laser cancer monster?" 21:42 <trenchfoot> "And his dad is like 'yeah, that's the only reason I contacted you in the first place.'" 21:42 <Crion> Lauren: "Yep." 21:43 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The spare???" 21:43 <VoxPVoxD> "The spare." 21:43 <banana> "Haha.. ha." 21:43 <banana> "At least she knows what's going on, maybe." 21:43 <VoxPVoxD> "She does not... look... fit for duty." 21:44 <trenchfoot> "I don't think arms should bend like that." 21:44 <Crion> Lauren: "Fucking Gendo." 21:44 <trenchfoot> That is a lot of blood. 21:44 <banana> "Psychological contamination." 21:45 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Um." 21:45 <trenchfoot> "That isn't real, is it?" 21:45 <Crion> Lauren: "There's a lot of uh, literalization of emotional and mental trauma in this particular anime." 21:45 <trenchfoot> "You don't drown people to make them control, tanks or whatever the real equivalent?" 21:45 <Crion> Lauren: "You do not." 21:46 <VoxPVoxD> "No, when you get submerged in a liquid you can breathe you feel like you're drowning for a lot longer than a couple seconds." 21:46 <banana> Melanie's focused on all the mechanical movements and human-body references. It's absurd but dramatic. 21:47 <banana> "This wouldn't work as a film without the family bit, it's like Godzilla-but-fast." 21:47 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Family is maybe generous. What a shithead father." 21:47 <Crion> Lauren: "Funny you say that. The guy who did these interrupted doing them to make a Godzilla movie. Was really good, too." 21:48 <VoxPVoxD> "A lot of families are like this." 21:48 <VoxPVoxD> "Not with the robots, but the other thing." 21:48 <banana> "While he's figuring out how to walk would be a great time to use its laser explosion." 21:48 <trenchfoot> Nels: "I know." 21:48 <VoxPVoxD> "What the fuck!" 21:48 <banana> "Oh but I see sheer brutality takes precedence." 21:49 <trenchfoot> "Um." 21:49 <VoxPVoxD> "Was he even trained to use that thing??" 21:49 <banana> "He just heard of it for the first time fifteen minutes ago!" 21:49 <Crion> Lauren: "He was not! It's unclear what Gendo expected to happen here. At least, it is right now." 21:49 <trenchfoot> "Why does - um. Ritsuko? Why does she care more than his actual father." 21:50 <trenchfoot> "Wait, no, Misato." 21:50 <Crion> "I think you're talking about Misato, but honestly, they both do." 21:50 <banana> "Who cares right now, wow" 21:50 <trenchfoot> "Ritsuko is the blonde one. I'm going to get that wrong again." 21:50 <banana> "Look at this thing, it's fighting on its own! A 'synthetic human'!" 21:50 <VoxPVoxD> No wedding ring. 21:50 <Crion> Lauren snort-laughs. 21:51 <trenchfoot> Still a lot of cross imagery. 21:51 <Crion> Stewart's pretty sure she's thinking the same thing, independently. 21:51 <VoxPVoxD> Good. 21:51 <trenchfoot> "Okay, what the fuck." 21:52 <VoxPVoxD> "So my understanding is that in the genre of stuff this is built on, these psychic tumor demons are typically robots instead." 21:52 <VoxPVoxD> "Nice, dry robots." 21:52 <banana> Melanie: "Now the walking out of the explosion is on the other foot." 21:53 <VoxPVoxD> Clones?? 21:53 <trenchfoot> The previous "what the fuck" still stands. 21:53 <VoxPVoxD> "'Seele' is German for 'soul'." 21:53 <Crion> Lauren: "Anno -- guy who gave himself a breakdown making the original show -- has said the Catholicism and Christian mystery stuff in here isn't used because of a coherent allegory about religion, but rather because over in Japan, that stuff kind of evokes a vast, alien sort of violence. The Japanese experience of Christianity is uh. Different than America's." 21:53 <Crion> "Well." 21:53 <Crion> "I guess not really." 21:53 <Crion> "You just have to go back farther." 21:54 <banana> "Meaningless, incredibly violent imagery. It's not that different." 21:54 <banana> "Oh- is it the obelisks talking?" 21:54 <Crion> "They're Mysterious World Leaders. Illuminati types." 21:54 <banana> "I thought Gendo was saying everything because the voices are similar.." 21:54 <VoxPVoxD> "They're like Skype calls with the camera off." 21:54 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Wait, is the Illuminati real?" 21:55 <VoxPVoxD> "Nnnnnnnnnnnyes." 21:55 <banana> Melanie: "Yes, but they're vampires." 21:55 <trenchfoot> Nels stands up to go get another drink without a word. 21:55 <banana> "Shinji is very upset." 21:55 <VoxPVoxD> "So the two organizations are 'brain' and 'soul'." 21:55 <Crion> Lauren: "Normal." 21:56 <VoxPVoxD> This is gonna be brutal if Misato's the only one with any energy. 21:57 <Crion> Lauren: "God I envy her metabolism." 21:57 <VoxPVoxD> Hopefully they add more lively characters... 21:57 <trenchfoot> Nels sits back down. "So it sounded like, despite making a journey to a dangerous place to meet his dad, he's going to be living with a relative stranger instead. Did I mishear?" 21:58 <Crion> Lauren: "You did not." 21:58 <banana> "Eh." 21:58 <banana> "Oh!" 21:58 <banana> "The city they destroyed was fake?" 21:58 <Crion> "You maybe missed his dad and him having a staredown and him refusing to get on the elevator with him." 21:58 <banana> "Gendo thinks he failed to pilot the robot." 21:58 <trenchfoot> "Honestly that's fair. Also what happened to Tokyos 1 and 2." 21:59 <Crion> To Melanie: "It's...realish. Basically the stuff on the surface gets evacuated/rebuilt all the time. I love all the macroconstruction stuff in this series." 21:59 <VoxPVoxD> "It's all so empty..." 21:59 <VoxPVoxD> "Misato rules." 21:59 <banana> "It's amazing, but sits really weirdly with all this.. normal life stuff. The whole film is huge technology things with tiny little human spaces in corners of them." 22:00 <Crion> "Like I said..." 22:00 <Crion> "What a metabolism." 22:00 <banana> "Shinji's thinking something similar." 22:01 <VoxPVoxD> "She even uses Linux." 22:01 <trenchfoot> "That beer is extremely conveniently located." 22:01 <Crion> "Hello to Misato's Steve." 22:01 <banana> IT'S A HOBGOBLIN 22:01 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart cackles. 22:01 <trenchfoot> Nels snorts after the beer gets pulled away. 22:02 <banana> Melanie: "Yesss." 22:02 <VoxPVoxD> "I wonder if there's any other boys his age left in the whole world." 22:03 <Crion> Lauren: "Man I forgot about the tape player. Those were contemporary when the show came out!" 22:03 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Are they not anymore?" 22:03 <banana> "'Oh, that's why.'" 22:04 <trenchfoot> That was a hell of a cut. 22:04 <trenchfoot> "What a dick!" 22:04 <VoxPVoxD> "Oh, so there are other boys, but they're shitheads." 22:04 <banana> "Maybe he's an angel." 22:04 <Crion> Lauren: "Yeah, it's realistic like that." 22:05 <trenchfoot> "Pretty cool that he saved the world and one person told him he did a good job, and one other person punched him in the face for it." 22:05 <Crion> Lauren: "Well that's nightmarish. Forgot about that." 22:05 <VoxPVoxD> "Ender's Game shit." 22:06 <banana> "That's a really disturbing chant." 22:06 <trenchfoot> Nels makes a mental note to read Ender's Game later. 22:06 <VoxPVoxD> No!! 22:06 <trenchfoot> What? You're the one who brought it up. 22:07 <VoxPVoxD> "I don't think humans and hedgehogs are actually similar in that way." 22:07 <banana> "Okay so like." 22:07 <Crion> Lauren: "I mean, grading on a curve, it's still a pretty deep metaphor for a military officer." 22:07 <trenchfoot> "I mean, sort of? But that's a weird metaphor to use." 22:07 <banana> "Why are they making either of them go to school? Is this meant to be helpful psychologically?" 22:07 <Crion> Lauren: "Like I said...they love high school over there. It's a genre trope." 22:08 <VoxPVoxD> "I like how there's just... no blue water anywhere." 22:08 <trenchfoot> "Is that like. The sea?" 22:08 <trenchfoot> "And it's just red now." 22:08 <Crion> Luaren: "Yeah. It's a real good and affecting garbling of turning the Nile to blood." 22:09 <banana> "I loved high school." Sort of. "But it's time-consuming, and so is fighting huge monsters in an upside-down city." 22:09 <trenchfoot> Absently: "Never went." 22:10 <VoxPVoxD> "Oh that's what the Emerald Weapon attack in Final Fantasy 7 was referencing." 22:11 <Crion> Lauren, to Stewart: "So that's weird, right? Using adjacent urinals?" 22:11 <VoxPVoxD> "Yes." 22:11 <Crion> "Isn't not doing that like...a guy code thing?" 22:11 <trenchfoot> "That kid is going to die." 22:11 <VoxPVoxD> "It's very weird." 22:11 <banana> "Okay, that's different." 22:11 <trenchfoot> "What the fuck." 22:12 <banana> "This feels almost routine now, so I bet it goes poorly." 22:12 <VoxPVoxD> "Fuckin car-sized shell casings." 22:12 <trenchfoot> "Update: it went poorly." 22:12 <Crion> "Skyscraper-sized rifle." 22:13 <VoxPVoxD> "Did that say umbilical?" 22:13 <banana> "That's two for two seize-up-in-trauma. What did they expect." 22:13 <Crion> "It did say that." 22:13 <VoxPVoxD> "Oh jeez and with the fluid... it's like a birth thing. Metaphorically that robot is his mom." 22:14 <trenchfoot> Nels: "That's weird. This is weird." 22:14 <trenchfoot> Why is that idiot teen's first thought about his camera. 22:14 <VoxPVoxD> Those are expensive! 22:14 <trenchfoot> So's his life. 22:15 <trenchfoot> Speaking of lives. "That's... one way of reacting here..." 22:16 <VoxPVoxD> "Fuckin... same." 22:17 <banana> "I think she realises there's literally no good way to react here." 22:19 <banana> Melanie: "Jesus." 22:19 <trenchfoot> Nels: "I don't think he's around, what with." She waves vaguely. 22:19 <VoxPVoxD> "Look sometimes you just gotta... become homeless out of alienation and spite." 22:19 <Crion> Lauren: "This show is kind of a pointed critique of all the giant robot shows in Japanese animation history, where 15 year olds pilot giant robots and win the day like superheroes." 22:19 <trenchfoot> He's* 22:20 <banana> "Yeah I was going to ask questions like.. why did they make it." 22:21 <trenchfoot> "Why does anyone make anything?" 22:21 <trenchfoot> "That's, um. Worrying. Also." 22:21 <banana> "'But if you do leave, the city will be destroyed'." 22:22 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart makes a face. "It is so not his decision." 22:22 <Crion> Lauren: "Misato is...in a tough spot. But she doesn't exactly cover herself in glory." 22:22 <trenchfoot> "It really isn't. Like, pick for yourself, but also if you choose to walk away - oh wow that is a late title card - everybody dies." 22:22 <Crion> Lauren: "...Boys." 22:22 <banana> "I think he actually felt empowered by that." 22:24 <Crion> Lauren: "No one seems to like this guy." 22:24 <banana> "Gendo is so calm." 22:24 <trenchfoot> "It's probably bad that its first reaction is to try and kill Gendo." 22:24 <trenchfoot> "Well no, it's good, but." 22:25 <VoxPVoxD> "I've had days like that." 22:25 <trenchfoot> The spicy robot... 22:25 <Crion> Lauren: "I think Misato meant the part where Gendo showed emotion, Ritsuko." 22:25 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Do you think he's ever spoken to his son like that." The answer is no, but it it's phrased like a question. 22:26 <Crion> "Mmmmm." 22:27 <trenchfoot> Nels: "That's gross." 22:27 <banana> "One word of praise isn't in the script." 22:28 <trenchfoot> "I liked the thing she did with her eyes earlier. Um. Sort of - blank, tired." 22:28 <trenchfoot> "The animators did it obviously but you know what I mean." 22:28 <banana> Eyes... 22:29 <trenchfoot> Nels: "He has a thing about thresholds." 22:29 <VoxPVoxD> "About boundaries." 22:29 <VoxPVoxD> "He's permanently anxious." 22:29 <Crion> Lauren: "Hooo." 22:30 <trenchfoot> "Oh! Oh, I saw a thing about this!" She pulls out her phone to double check, missing the entire scene. "'Big mood'?" 22:30 <VoxPVoxD> "Oh come on." 22:30 <banana> "If you rely on a pair of siblings to save the world it's important to treat them like- oh come on." 22:30 <Crion> Lauren: "Warned you about the horniness." 22:30 <trenchfoot> She looks up, then, and -- "Phrasing." 22:30 <Crion> "That's a good pun though." 22:31 <banana> "'They specifically told me to deliver it while you were in the shower.'" 22:31 <trenchfoot> Nels: "You heard Gendo planning earlier. He might've." 22:32 <Crion> "Shinji's much less of a creepy shithead in these versions of the story. If you can imagine." 22:32 <VoxPVoxD> "Now see, that's an appropriate amount of distance between active urinals." 22:32 <trenchfoot> "Less...? Oh no." 22:32 <Crion> "I think in these new movies that's his worst moment." 22:33 <trenchfoot> "He was worse...?" Also he earned that." 22:33 <Crion> Lauren: "Point of order. He earned it, but not for shit-talking his dad." 22:33 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart tenses. 22:33 <Crion> "Which is why it was delivered." 22:34 <Crion> "This Angel design owns." 22:34 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart shuts his eyes. 22:34 <trenchfoot> Nels doesn't respond, just looks fascinated by the animation. 22:34 <trenchfoot> Because wow. Wow. 22:35 <banana> "I hope that's the decoy city again..." 22:35 <trenchfoot> "Let me out, Dad," and "No" - someone needs to kill him. Or at the very least jail him. 22:36 <Crion> Lauren's sort of fallen off looking at the movie. Instead she's squeezing Stewart's hand. 22:36 <banana> Melanie: "Okay, I'm convinced." 22:36 <banana> "Kids shouldn't pilot giant robots. They've made the case." 22:36 <trenchfoot> Nels: "What absolute maniac is letting them do this to teenagers." 22:36 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart squeezes back. His opens his eyes and rubs his free hand across them. 22:37 <VoxPVoxD> "The brain is subservient to the soul." 22:37 <banana> "Only in the film." 22:38 <VoxPVoxD> "If underwear drawers can go flying like that, dualism can be true." 22:39 <Crion> Lauren: "The damn UN...every right-wing militia fuck's wildest nightmare fantasy in this." 22:40 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Am I supposed to know what a positron cannon is? There's a lot of fake things in this but a lot of science sounds fake to me." 22:40 <Crion> Lauren: "It's just a big gun." 22:40 <VoxPVoxD> "Positrons are real. Positron cannons aren't." 22:40 <trenchfoot> "Cool! Those are definitely real." 22:40 <Crion> "Might use a lot of energy." 22:40 <VoxPVoxD> "Positrons probably won't be on the Chem GED though, so don't worry." 22:40 <trenchfoot> "Big guns. Jury is out on positrons." 22:40 <banana> Melanie: "What I want to know at this point is like.. will they win, but also, is it worth it." 22:41 <trenchfoot> "I suspect they're asking that already." 22:41 <VoxPVoxD> "Depends on what Human Instrumentality is." 22:41 <VoxPVoxD> "Maybe they're trying to kill God and force their way into Heaven." 22:41 <trenchfoot> "They've established that angels are real but I dunno about God." 22:41 <banana> "Aren't they already brainwashing him???" 22:42 <VoxPVoxD> "You can always brainwash harder." 22:42 <trenchfoot> We're in the best place to know. 22:42 <banana> "Yeah. Sorry." 22:42 <VoxPVoxD> Mood. 22:43 <trenchfoot> Dreams. 22:43 <trenchfoot> Shit, shit. Fuck. Nels gets up for another drink. 22:44 <banana> "At least the sheet didn't drop away or something." 22:45 <VoxPVoxD> "Is flat-affected women a thing in anime or is this an on-purpose reversal of the gender stereotype?" 22:46 <Crion> Lauren: "More the latter than the former, but there are more characters coming." 22:46 <trenchfoot> Nels: "I really need to catch up on a lot of, um, theory? I think I saw the word 'theory' attached to most of these kinds of things..." 22:46 <VoxPVoxD> "Misato's shrug has a lot of weight on it there." 22:47 <trenchfoot> "Okay, look, I asked this about Tokyo-3. What was the first Impact." 22:47 <Crion> Lauren: "It'll sort of explain it." 22:47 <VoxPVoxD> "The arrival of the angels maybe?" 22:47 <banana> "The obelisks mentioned it but they weren't making themselves very clear." 22:48 <VoxPVoxD> "Wwwwwow." 22:48 <banana> What 22:48 <trenchfoot> "What." 22:48 <Crion> Lauren: "Very normal." 22:49 <banana> In a neutral tone: "Misato is good at her job." 22:49 <trenchfoot> Is there a word for two pyramids stacked on top of one another? 22:49 <trenchfoot> Because it seems like there should be. 22:49 <Crion> Lauren: "Maybe too good." 22:49 <Crion> "Well, I guess the rest of the people still alive don't think so." 22:50 <Crion> "God these trains!!" 22:51 <trenchfoot> Nels: "That's. Not exactly what he was talking about." 22:51 <trenchfoot> "'Both' dying means the two of you. But she didn't care...?" 22:52 <banana> "She's just as brainwashed but to a different end." 22:52 <Crion> Lauren: "No, she's definitely more brainwashed." 22:52 <trenchfoot> "All of the adults in this movie should be in jail." 22:52 <Crion> "She LIKES Gendo Ikari!" 22:52 <VoxPVoxD> "She's also the only one he's shown any affection to." 22:52 <VoxPVoxD> "So if anyone's going to like him..." 22:53 <banana> Melanie: "My assumption is that they're siblings and she looks like his dead wife or something. There was that hospital scene and it's the kind of thing they're.. deconstructing? Or reproducing?" 22:53 <banana> "Oh, here we go!" 22:53 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Speaking of - Misato is the only one to show affection for Shinji." 22:54 <trenchfoot> "Everyone else just ignores him or punches him in the face or whatever." 22:54 <VoxPVoxD> "Yeah, although them doing that drives him away, which is probably better for him." 22:55 <trenchfoot> "Still rude, but yeah." 22:55 <banana> "That's a low percent." 22:56 <Crion> "Chambering a damn two story tall circuit. SO inefficient! But very cool." 22:56 <trenchfoot> "Are any of them going to deal with the fact that he's having a panic attack again?" 22:57 <VoxPVoxD> "Completely sexless there." 22:57 <VoxPVoxD> "Very weird." 22:57 <trenchfoot> WHAT THE FUCK 22:58 <banana> :( 22:58 <VoxPVoxD> "You can't kill it." 22:59 <Crion> "SUCH a shithead." 22:59 <banana> "Do you think the whole thing is a plot by Gendo to psychologically destroy his own son for some imagined crime? Like maybe he summoned the Angels somehow." 22:59 <trenchfoot> Leaning forward: "Absolutely the worst father. Also I think I wrote this." 22:59 <VoxPVoxD> "You can psychologically destroy a teenage boy way easier than this." 22:59 <Crion> Lauren to Nels: "Wha?" 23:00 <VoxPVoxD> "She means the song." 23:00 <trenchfoot> She gestures to her guitar without looking away. 23:00 <Crion> "Damn. Nice." 23:00 <banana> "Wow." 23:01 <banana> Melanie doesn't want to look at the screen. This film is WEIRD and there's no guarantee he's going to manage it... 23:02 <trenchfoot> Nels winces at the scream, but -- oh. Oh, wow. 23:02 <banana> "Ahahahahaha" 23:02 <trenchfoot> So much blood. 23:02 <trenchfoot> ...suppose that explains the ocean. 23:02 <VoxPVoxD> "It's probably bad to shower the last bastion of humanity in angel's blood, right?" 23:03 <banana> "No I bet they're used to it" 23:03 <trenchfoot> "...do they still have days out at the beach, because yeah. That'd do it." 23:05 <banana> Oh what the fuck. 23:05 <trenchfoot> This person seems important??? Who are they. What's going on. 23:05 <Crion> "Oh hey there, Kawaru." 23:05 <Crion> "And that's the first film!" 23:05 <trenchfoot> Nels: "What do you mean 'to be continued...'???" 23:07 <banana> Melanie: "That was crazy. I could- there were a lot of references I could tell i was missing, or maybe they were just.. fake things that looked like references." 23:08 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The thing about Japan and Christianity was like. Yeah it makes total sense that they'd associate it with bombs. Hence all the explosions being crosses." 23:09 <banana> "Ah, you've been reading about Hiroshima." 23:10 <trenchfoot> Slight frown: "My textbook didn't really go into depth about it beyond the fact that it happened. I want a Japanese perspective on the whole event, because I bet 'bomb dropped, war ended' is extremely not how they view it." 23:11 <banana> Melanie: "Maybe we just got one." 23:12 <banana> She shakes herself a little, having basically not moved for an hour and a half. "Wow. They aren't all like that, right?" 23:12 <trenchfoot> Nels looks over to Lauren and Stewart, because they would know. 23:13 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart's getting himself a drink. "The one anime I watched was just a bunch of dudes screaming and shooting energy beams at each other." 23:13 <VoxPVoxD> "Evangelion has a reputation for being sort of, uh, offbeat." 23:14 <banana> Melanie: "If we are being 'trolled', it's only what we deserve." 23:14 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Is that what they call cartoons now? They're all animay? Like animation but shorter, I guess." 23:15 <banana> "Still, it was good. A lot of it felt like.. totally insane and well-animated situations but with people reacting in really normal, sensical ways to this unexplained premise." 23:15 <VoxPVoxD> "Anime is used to refer specifically to cartoons from Japan, done in this sort of art style." 23:15 <VoxPVoxD> "My understanding is that there's entire anime series that are just about high school eating toast and stuff. It's a medium, more than a genre." 23:15 <trenchfoot> "Oh, yes, also, it was absolutely gorgeous. They've come a long way." 23:16 <Crion> Lauren gets some more snacks and busies herself setting up 2.22. 23:25 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Okay, okay, this is a sequel, but - they let him - wait. They didn't let him back in the robot." 23:26 <Crion> Lauren: "This is...someone else, yeah." 23:26 <trenchfoot> "Maybe Gendo got replaced with a good father." 23:27 <trenchfoot> Okay, this one isn't her fault. 23:27 <VoxPVoxD> "I'm suspicious of anyone who has fun doing this." 23:28 <trenchfoot> Gross. 23:28 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Why does she think this is fun." 23:29 <trenchfoot> Oh, there's the horrible blood fountain. 23:30 <trenchfoot> "First and only person to think that it's bad to make teens fight in wars." 23:30 <Crion> Lauren: "Because she's incredibly healthy and normal, obviously." 23:30 <trenchfoot> Cross again. 23:30 <trenchfoot> "Holy shit that's a lot of graves." 23:30 <Crion> "That's Mari! She's kind of like the Jimothy of this remake. Wasn't in the show." 23:30 <Crion> "...Jameson told you about Jimothy, right?" 23:31 <trenchfoot> "...no...?" Nels looks away from the screen to look at Lauren. 23:31 <Crion> "Shinji..." 23:31 <trenchfoot> "Christ, what an asshole." 23:32 <VoxPVoxD> "Misato is trying so hard." 23:32 <VoxPVoxD> "Be honest with yourself, and agree with me!" 23:33 <Crion> Lauren, doing a Ron Howard voice: "Narrator: He was not." 23:33 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The blood-dimmed tides that everyone just casually - okay, was this considered subtle at the time? With the cross imagery." 23:34 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart smiles at that. The reference, not the grisly destruction. 23:34 <VoxPVoxD> "No." 23:34 <VoxPVoxD> "The subtlety is all in the opaque storytelling. The imagery is just straight up violence." 23:35 <VoxPVoxD> "Haha this riff." 23:35 <Crion> "Boom." 23:35 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The blood explosions are. They're a thing." 23:35 <VoxPVoxD> "So this is the best and coolest one." 23:35 <Crion> Lauren: "She's okay." 23:36 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart snorts. 23:36 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Langley?" 23:36 <trenchfoot> "She's... CIA?" 23:36 <VoxPVoxD> "'First Girl' and 'Second Girl' seem to have more significance than just being- wow." 23:37 <Crion> Lauren: "She's a lot of things." 23:37 <VoxPVoxD> "What a dick!" 23:37 <trenchfoot> "Wait, why is he talking with these guys. His first and only interaction was getting punched in the face." 23:37 <Crion> Lauren: "Nah, they were with him in the tube." 23:37 <Crion> "They became friends." 23:37 <VoxPVoxD> "He punched that guy back. This is how male bonding works." 23:37 <trenchfoot> "Ohhhh, right. Men." 23:38 <trenchfoot> "I don't trust this guy either." 23:38 <VoxPVoxD> "Facial hair: a sign of evil?" 23:38 <Crion> Lauren: "Ponytail and stubble basically means dirtbag, yeah." 23:39 <Crion> "As seen." 23:39 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Misato should have fought him." 23:40 <trenchfoot> "What a jerk!" 23:41 <Crion> Lauren: "Not wrong." 23:41 <VoxPVoxD> "It's kind of weird getting what I assume is a regular anime comedy beat in the middle of this Christological nightmare." 23:41 <trenchfoot> "Is Christological a word I'll need to know in the future?" 23:41 <VoxPVoxD> "No." 23:41 <trenchfoot> "Good, because I already forgot it." 23:41 <Crion> Lauren: "Back to what you were saying before, Asuka here is much more...normal anime gender role beats." 23:42 <Crion> "See?" 23:42 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart nods. "...really?" 23:42 <VoxPVoxD> "She's like... an archetype? The cranky jerk?" 23:42 <Crion> "Yep." 23:42 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The future is weird." 23:43 <trenchfoot> "Awful father." 23:43 <trenchfoot> "That's normal, at least." 23:45 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Should I know what the Dead Sea Scrolls are or is that another made up thing?" 23:45 <Crion> Lauren: "Hello!" 23:46 <Crion> "They're both real and made up, Nels." 23:46 <VoxPVoxD> The creepy dude is cool. 23:46 <Crion> "That is to say, something called the Dead Sea Scrolls exist, but the version here have fictional powers." 23:46 <trenchfoot> "...have we checked the real ones out to see if they have powers?" 23:46 <Crion> "Poor penguin." 23:46 <VoxPVoxD> "I mean. We haven't." 23:47 <trenchfoot> "Also, is this the first time we've seen like. Real water?" 23:47 <Crion> "Hahahah." 23:47 <Crion> "Yeah." 23:47 <VoxPVoxD> "Okay so implicitly First Impact is like the origin of humanity, Second Impact is the apocalypse that turns our world into Evangelion world. And Third Impact is...? The Rapture?" 23:48 <trenchfoot> "???" 23:48 <Crion> "Rei...you're so obvious." 23:48 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart missed that entirely, speculating on the lore. 23:49 <trenchfoot> "She's rude. And he's an idiot." 23:49 <Crion> "Yeah, kind of her thing." 23:50 <VoxPVoxD> "Also the one non-Japanese character? Maybe that's just what we're like." 23:50 <trenchfoot> "I'm not that big of a jerk!" 23:51 <Crion> "They don't have the best cultural experience with us. Though she's German-Japanese, I think, not American." 23:51 <VoxPVoxD> "It's early yet, we haven't seen how specifically she's as weird and sad as the rest of them. She's got time to come back down to earth." 23:52 <Crion> "That GUITAR!" 23:53 <trenchfoot> Nels: "They just fire off - I'm assuming the N is for 'nuclear'? Just, all the time." 23:54 <Crion> "Nuclear 2!" 23:54 <trenchfoot> "The sequel." 23:55 <trenchfoot> "I don't know who to support, here." 23:55 <VoxPVoxD> "Is it really possible to have a vendetta against alien beings attempting to destroy all of humanity?" 23:56 <Crion> "If you're the only survivor of ground zero for second impact, well, maybe?" 23:56 <trenchfoot> Pointed silence. 23:57 <Crion> "That kid's hopeless." 23:57 <Crion> "Good sprinter's stance, though." 23:59 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Oh, wow - did they ever make cars safe enough to do that? Because that was cool as hell." 23:59 <Crion> "Not...really." 23:59 <trenchfoot> "Sprinting along the walls of the thing I mean." 23:59 <Crion> "Oh yeah, driving on inclines in races happens." 00:00 <Crion> "Got yerself a bad case of stigmata, there." 00:00 <trenchfoot> "In the past - oh, Christ - but they were like, trying to race long distances and fighting their calls falling apart." 00:00 <trenchfoot> cars* 00:01 <trenchfoot> Holy shit. 00:01 <trenchfoot> Uh, pretty easy to see why the ocean is red now. 00:02 <Crion> "Whew." 00:02 <VoxPVoxD> "Oh fuck you, dude." 00:02 <Crion> "The bare minimum, folks!" 00:04 <Crion> Lauren, deadpan: "She's so considerate." 00:05 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart's frown is deep. 00:05 <trenchfoot> Nels: "He is. But also she's still a rude jerk." 00:06 <trenchfoot> "They have these characters regularly??" 00:06 <Crion> "Who, Asukas? Yeah. Rei's a different trope. Both are kind of subversions of it. Rei more than Asuka." 00:07 <trenchfoot> Nels: "And people... like them??" 00:07 <Crion> "They're mainly in anime for boys." 00:07 <Crion> "Anime for girls have similarly uh. Broad. Stereotypes for the guys." 00:08 <trenchfoot> "Is this like the thing I got told not to read but did anyway? It had a whip involved which seemed weird." 00:08 <VoxPVoxD> "The what?" 00:08 <Crion> "Though that silver-haired guy is very similar to one you'd see in--" 00:08 <Crion> Lauren manages not to choke on her drink. "Well I wouldn't know about that." 00:09 <VoxPVoxD> "Jesus." 00:10 <trenchfoot> Nels, blandly: "David Smitten, I'm pretty sure. I forget the name of the book, but it wasn't any good." 00:10 <Crion> Lauren: "All in all, in the end, it's probably a good thing Shinji didn't grow up with his dad." 00:11 <Crion> "Sigh." 00:12 <Crion> "Hi, Mari." 00:12 <VoxPVoxD> "Shinji has the worst luck." 00:12 <trenchfoot> "I feel like you shouldn't say 'enter the country covertly' in front of a civillian?" 00:12 <Crion> "Doesn't he just." 00:12 <trenchfoot> "What the fuck." 00:13 <trenchfoot> "What the fuck." 00:13 <VoxPVoxD> "Man this poor kid. Puberty's hard enough as it is." 00:13 <Crion> "Yeah so Mari's a big part of the later movies but she just wasn't in the original show. So her literally parachuting into the--Kaji." 00:13 <trenchfoot> "He's right but also that's still fucking creepy." 00:14 <trenchfoot> "That is the wrong question to ask Shinji." 00:14 <trenchfoot> "Because no, he doesn't, but also it isn't healthy." 00:15 <VoxPVoxD> "So far like the one character he hasn't been in a sexually compromised position with is his dad." 00:15 <VoxPVoxD> "And the scientist I guess." 00:15 <Crion> Lauren: "Probably don't go on dates with dirtbags in their thirties, Shinji. Usually they end a lot worse than doing farm work!" 00:16 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The teen daughter couldn't possibly fall in love with someone." 00:17 <Crion> Lauren: "Nice save." 00:17 <trenchfoot> "Is this -- you said tropes? Is this one of those again?" 00:17 <VoxPVoxD> "This is worrying because if she made him soup then by the logic of every other scene she's going to spill it on his pants or something." 00:18 <Crion> "Horny Anno!" 00:18 <trenchfoot> Nels: "They sure find a bunch of excuses to show naked ladies." 00:18 <VoxPVoxD> "Says a lot about who they think their audience is." 00:19 <VoxPVoxD> "Kind of a one-two punch. You draw the teenage boys in with the cheesecake, and then you get 'em with the sustained psychic trauma." 00:19 <Crion> "It's actually considered kind of daring how much naked Shinji and Kawaru there is." 00:19 <Crion> "That's the silver-haired guy." 00:20 <trenchfoot> "The moon man? Yeah, I can see it." 00:20 <trenchfoot> "Those birds are probably right, by the by. They're fleeing the city." 00:21 <VoxPVoxD> To Lauren: "What's that Seele motto there?" 00:21 <Crion> "Let's see if I can get the pronunciation right." 00:21 <Crion> "Überm sternenzelt richtet Gott, wie wir gerichtet." 00:22 <Crion> "God judges Heaven as we have, is the rough translation." 00:22 <trenchfoot> One of those fancy European languages. 00:23 <Crion> Lauren: "Awkward!" 00:23 <VoxPVoxD> Lauren's so smart. "Probably the one thing crueler than training child soldiers is like... firing child soldiers." 00:23 <trenchfoot> Nels: "I feel like putting them in an elevator together is mean." 00:24 <trenchfoot> "Though --" There's the slap. "To who, I don't know." 00:24 <VoxPVoxD> "Getting down to what really matters." 00:25 <Crion> Lauren: "His room is getting better, at least." 00:25 <trenchfoot> "Do you think he's ever going to realize his father doesn't care about him?" 00:25 <VoxPVoxD> "Well yeah, if girls are going to show up spontaneously you have to decorate." 00:26 <Crion> That gets a chuckle. 00:27 <trenchfoot> Nels, curiously: "Wait, why?" 00:27 <VoxPVoxD> "The number of shots where Misato's ass or legs are just hanging out in the frame for no reason." 00:27 <Crion> Lauren: "I mean. There's a reason." 00:27 <VoxPVoxD> "Right." 00:28 <Crion> Intoning: "Horny Anno." 00:29 <trenchfoot> "Is she - she isn't saying anything?" 00:29 <Crion> "That fuckin' moonwalk." 00:30 <trenchfoot> "That kid sucks." 00:30 <Crion> "Horny teen congrats moonwalk." 00:30 <Crion> "Eh, he's fine." 00:30 <Crion> "He hasn't done anything actively shitty besides teening." 00:30 <trenchfoot> Also, holy shit, he's - at most - 5 years younger than she is. 00:30 <trenchfoot> Like, in terms of years lived through. 00:31 <VoxPVoxD> "Asuka..." 00:31 <trenchfoot> Nels: "This all seems extremely insincere." 00:32 <Crion> "Sigh." 00:32 <trenchfoot> "I feel like having a cartoon character complain about perverts designing their costume doesn't actually count." 00:33 <VoxPVoxD> "What the fuck??" 00:33 <trenchfoot> "What in the name of --" 00:33 <Crion> "The angels are getting smarter." 00:34 <trenchfoot> "Why is Gendo Ikari still allowed to run this" 00:34 <VoxPVoxD> "He gets results." 00:34 <trenchfoot> "Does he???" 00:34 <Crion> Lauren: "He's batting 1.000." 00:34 <VoxPVoxD> "Seele seems happy with him." 00:36 <trenchfoot> Nels: "He should still be fired for making children fight wars." 00:36 <Crion> "Mmmmmm." 00:37 <trenchfoot> "There was - it ended badly. You would think they'd have learned, even in fiction." 00:37 <VoxPVoxD> "JUST FUCKING LIE TO HIM!" 00:37 <VoxPVoxD> "Jesus." 00:38 <trenchfoot> "What the fuck." 00:38 <Crion> "'Won't kill your friend? Well, you'll get a front row seat while your body does it while you scream. Love, Dad.'" 00:39 <VoxPVoxD> "Weird time for a fuckin, Simon and Garfunkel song or whatever." 00:39 <trenchfoot> "This one isn't my fault." 00:39 <trenchfoot> "Oh, Christ." 00:40 <trenchfoot> "Oh, Christ." 00:41 <VoxPVoxD> "What the FUCK!" 00:41 <trenchfoot> Nels gets up without a word to get a drink. 00:43 <Crion> "That feeling when you choke out your own son for making him kill his friend." 00:46 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart exhales. "She lived?" 00:46 <Crion> "After a fashion." 00:46 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Wait, they're court-martialing him for--" 00:46 <trenchfoot> "Dreams again?" 00:47 <trenchfoot> "I know I've said it multiple times but his dad sucks." 00:49 <trenchfoot> Nels: "First time he didn't hesitate stepping over a boundary." 00:49 <Crion> "Horny Annnooo!!!" 00:50 <trenchfoot> Nels nods solemnly. 00:52 <Crion> "What a cut." 00:52 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Ah jeez." 00:52 <trenchfoot> Nels is back to leaning forward and just - watching. 00:54 <VoxPVoxD> Uh oh. 00:54 <trenchfoot> "Wait, the song." 00:54 <trenchfoot> "The - oh no." 00:55 <trenchfoot> "Oh no." 00:57 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Oh no." 00:57 <Crion> "Whew." 00:58 <VoxPVoxD> "She crawled over to him again." 00:59 <trenchfoot> "What the fuck." 01:01 <trenchfoot> NOT THE QUESTION HE SHOULD ASK 01:02 <Crion> "Hi." 01:03 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Oh my God." 01:03 <Crion> "This is where it breaks with the show." 01:03 <Crion> "In the show, he loses this fight." 01:04 <VoxPVoxD> "Why would they change it?" 01:04 <Crion> "Well. In a different way. You'll see." 01:04 <trenchfoot> "What the fuck is going on?" 01:04 <VoxPVoxD> To Nels: "The brain is subservient to the soul." 01:04 <Crion> "Couple of reasons. First is that Anno was having a breakdown when he scripted the end of the show. Like, went in-patient afterwards. Second is that there's a good argument this is a SEQUEL to the show." 01:05 <Crion> "Kid's got the left arm of God." 01:05 <trenchfoot> "The halo is - maybe - on the nose --" 01:06 <VoxPVoxD> "Yeah that's the one thing that's too much." 01:06 <trenchfoot> Pouting: "That's not what what I said!" 01:06 <Crion> Lauren: "Nah. The EVAs were always repurposed angels." 01:08 <trenchfoot> Nels, weakly: "Are they all like this?" 01:09 <VoxPVoxD> "All what?" 01:10 <trenchfoot> Nels: "Cartoons. Movies. All of these." 01:10 <VoxPVoxD> "Nnnnno." 01:10 <VoxPVoxD> "No they very much are not." 01:11 <trenchfoot> Nels: "God dman it. I wrote this too." 01:11 <Crion> Lauren, into the silence as the credits roll: "...And the story is half over." 01:11 <VoxPVoxD> "The end of the world is the midpoint?!" 01:11 <Crion> "Which is weird! Because that's where the show ends." 01:12 <Crion> "In the show, he loses but they backdoor the Human Instrumentality Project into action and the...world still ends? Like I said, he was having a breakdown." 01:13 <trenchfoot> "It makes sense as an end point, but... also... most things end on a positive note? And this is the opposite." 01:13 <banana> Melanie stirs. This time she was even stiller, barely human-appearing at all. There's a lot to process, but having decided it's impossible, she can just not do that. 01:13 <Crion> "Shinji actually 'saving' Rei is kind of a positive note, given how the other two previous endings are. 01:13 <banana> "Maybe it's revenge." 01:14 <Crion> " 01:14 <banana> "On the viewers. Give us all the breakdown this time." 01:14 <Crion> Lauren: "Anyway, 3.33 has pirates and a musical number. Please look forward to it!" 01:14 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart blinks. 01:15 <trenchfoot> Nels: "There are more?" 01:15 <trenchfoot> "Wait, no, you said that, but also... what???" 01:15 <VoxPVoxD> "If the story's half-over, then logically there are two more movies." 01:15 <trenchfoot> Nels: "That is actually, literally, insane. 01:15 <trenchfoot> " 01:16 <trenchfoot> FUCK she forgot about moon man. 01:16 <banana> Melanie: "It does seem weird that someone would put so much human time and effort into- what" 01:16 <Crion> "So there's a theory which is that the movies are the sequel to the show. Groundhog Day style. And that line -- "this time I will make you happy" -- is one of the linchpins."{ 01:16 <banana> "Well, the last preview was totally misleading so this one probably doesn't mean anything." 01:17 <Crion> "'Now then, more fan service coming next time!'" 01:17 <VoxPVoxD> "If that's fan service, what does fan spite look like?" 01:18 <banana> "I think I've come around to 'what the hell'. The first one was insane but pretty amazing and it felt like an almost-complete story with some loose ends... now there's just so many new characters and half of it's pointless because everything is ending?" 01:18 <Crion> "So the next movie is Evangelion 3.33: You Can (Not) Redo, and the last movie is Evangelion 3.0+1.0, set to come out middle of next year." 01:18 <banana> "At least Gendo seems to have everything under control, but he's not sharing the plan with us." 01:18 <VoxPVoxD> "There's no way Gendo actually has everything under control." 01:19 <Crion> To Stewart: "Fan spite looks like End of Evangelion, where Anno got so angry at his fans that he had Shinji, as a self-insert for them, jerk off over Rei's hospital bed in the first thirty minutes and end the movie getting choked out by Asuka on a beach as the world ended." 01:19 <banana> Melanie disagrees. "The end of the world and the ascension of a new form of life is clearly something you can script. After all, this Anno guy did it." 01:20 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "..." 01:21 <VoxPVoxD> "And then the fans got one over on him in the end and decided that being choked by Asuka was fan service too?" 01:21 <trenchfoot> "I mean, would." 01:21 <Crion> Lauren shrugs. "In the end, he is the same as them, just more talented." 01:22 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "That's so much work to put into something you don't respect." 01:23 <trenchfoot> "It was weird, but also, like, he got to distill and weaponize his anxiety." 01:23 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "He could've just had a son." 01:23 <trenchfoot> "I think Gendo demonstrates that he absolutely should not have." 01:24 <VoxPVoxD> "But he could have." 01:24 <banana> "What a weird filmchild though. The central contradiction is like.. as you say, Stewart, it's the commitment. This was really good animation? And exciting big monster fights, all the military tech, et cetera, it does the stuff you'd unironically want from an action.. anime." 01:25 <banana> "While also sort of telling you in every frame to fuck off and never watch those?" 01:25 <Crion> Lauren: "There's a wider, larger tradition of that, sorta. 'Anti-war' movies that are fundamentally big-budget action films." 01:25 <banana> Melanie: "Or like.. 'fine, is this what you want, you animals'. And then Mari's tits fall out again or something." 01:27 <trenchfoot> Nels fetches her guitar. It's - it feels like a standard song to play while Evangelion is happening but it wasn't in any of the movies... but really... Her fingers play without her thinking. 01:27 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "I guess that's the problem with satire, isn't it. You try to take something to an absurd extreme, it's just gonna sail over people's heads." 01:27 <trenchfoot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_yNsDsbaQ 01:27 <VoxPVoxD> "And they go 'wow, cool robot!'" 01:28 <banana> "There's so much stuff that's actually interesting and like, food for thought.." 01:28 <Crion> Lauren: "...!" 01:29 <Crion> "That's the show's theme song, Nels!" 01:29 <banana> "But what kind of master plan involves having your son eat his only friend and then have his other only friend tear his arm off in front of you so that you get covered in a wave of blood?" 01:29 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "I guess if you're trying to create some kind of transcendent human messiah out of dead gods and alien biomass then they need to get fucked up." 01:30 <banana> "So in the TV show version.. were powerful looking things introduced more than ten minutes before they got blown to shit?" 01:31 <trenchfoot> Nels doesn't falter. "Wrote it." This part is tricky- she has to stop talking for a bit, but eventually: "Does the - it has words, right? I didn't write any, but..." 01:32 <Crion> Lauren: "Yeah, the full show was like...13 hours? Angels would usually get a full episode, and there were a bunch of episodes just about school stuff without any angels in them." 01:32 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart plays on his phone for Nels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6r79HxmKw8 01:33 <banana> Melanie listens to Nels for a while. "Eva pilots considered as an alienee.. no. They're present in society, more so than they want to be. Every part of the world holds onto them." 01:33 <banana> "Being human is like.. the point, both for them and their robots? In order to not be human anymore? Because you can't become without being." 01:34 <trenchfoot> Nels: "I didn't speak that language or - why are there horns. It'd be like, 'like an angel with cruel and merciless intent, go forth young boy and you'll become a legend!'" 01:35 <banana> Melanie: "He doesn't want to be one. He just wants one person to see him, ideally his dad." 01:35 <VoxPVoxD> To Melanie: "They serve an explicit societal role, even. You can't be an alienee and also be like, a publicly famous soldier." 01:36 <banana> "It's not a very Lost apocalypse, is it?" 01:36 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "I wonder what the willworkers make of it." 01:36 <banana> Melanie: "Hashtag relationship goals." 01:37 <VoxPVoxD> "Jesuit talked about reaching Heaven through violence. Is that 'human instrumentality'?" 01:37 <banana> "In that they think the birthright of humanity is to no longer be human, like our entire experience of being is a meat puppet to shuck." 01:38 <Crion> Lauren: "The mages probably see a lot more Seer in that movie than Pentacle, if I had to guess." 01:40 <banana> "Slightly weird request." 01:40 <trenchfoot> Nels: "The ones we talk to, anyway." 01:41 <banana> Melanie: "Do you know somewhere I could argue about this show on the Internet?" 01:41 <Crion> Lauren cackles. "Absolutely." 01:41 <banana> "...I'd like to see what people think about it but more importantly how they put things, the reaction." 01:42 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "One time Lauren showed me this thing where a guy was talking about the Star Wars prequels and everyone was melting down at him for saying things like they were mean to the robots." 01:43 <trenchfoot> "This all reminds me. Speaking of movies involving, well, us... Could we do another movie night? Labyrinth." 01:43 <Crion> She cackles louder. "He rules. He rules!!!" 01:43 <banana> "Sure, what's that one?" 01:43 <VoxPVoxD> "With David Bowie?" 01:44 <banana> "..is it quieter?" 01:44 <trenchfoot> "A musician becomes a goblin king and everyone has to pretend they don't realize it's David Bowie." 01:45 <Crion> Lauren: "I don't think I've seen it, so. Yeah, sure. 01:45 <Crion> " 01:47 <banana> Over the course of the conversation Melanie's resumed her nearly-human shape, more like a dryad than a standing hardwood. The pace of the animes was in some ways easier to follow than a Hollywood film with snappy dialogue - much of it was spectacle and the emotional strokes were very broad - but taking in that much sensory input didn't leave her with a lot of energy. Hopefully Nels's 01:47 <banana> taste will be less mechanised-catastrophic. 01:48 <trenchfoot> She... mostly liked it? It was A Lot. Like, a lot a lot. 01:51 <banana> This is something even Melanie would never say out loud, but she wonders: does Lauren Ipsum see anything of her worldspider in the war-factory vision of Japan and its assault by vast living robots? 01:58 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart's light-years ahead on refusing to even wonder it.