13:58 <banana> Melanie rolls up in Stewart's parking lot in a Kia a few years out of date but barely used. There are bits of leaves all over the roof surface, but the passenger seat is clean and clear. 14:01 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart's got the cool leather jacket Gerald gave him on. It's not really chilly but it's not-warm enough to justify looking cool. "Hey!" he says as he gets into the car. "How's it going?" 14:01 <banana> In the back she's only got a couple of bits of furniture - the things she could move herself for the first round - and a case of Spotted Cow. "Thank you again for doing this." 14:01 <banana> "Um, it's not going very fast, but I don't have very much to move. If we drop this stuff off at the sewer first then it should just be a trip or two.. I hope." 14:05 <VoxPVoxD> "Oh, yeah, no problem. Moving alone sucks." He notices the case of beer in the backseat, but doesn't acknowledge it. "Maggie has the place looking pretty good." 14:07 <banana> "It does! Last time I had.." Ehh. "I must have had help. I have no idea who it was, though." 14:08 <VoxPVoxD> "How much are you bringing over?" 14:10 <banana> Melanie: "I've got a planter, is the main thing, and two bookcases. Stuff like tables and chairs don't really matter, but putting bookcases together in the Hedge doesn't seem to be easy? They fall over." 14:10 <banana> "Oh, also my TV!" 14:12 <banana> The city traffic is a pain compared to the suburban streets Melanie originally came from. She's not sure where to park, actually; the makeshift motley's hidden manhole doesn't come with street space. 14:16 <VoxPVoxD> With Stewart's help, Melanie's able to get the car parked somewhere where the walk is only slightly awkward. Once they've got the first set carload in the Hollow, already cozy with Maggie's influence, Stewart'll turn to her and say: "Can you do me a favor real quick? Just, like, sing something. It doesn't matter what. Twinkle twinkle little star or whatever." 14:18 <banana> ? "Since nobody is listening, I can totally do that." 14:21 <banana> Melanie's face sets for a moment in concentration - little flakes of bark drift away from the seams where it meets the rest of her head. Talewright had her sing lullabies and prophecies, but she used to actually know.. ah! 14:22 <banana> "Bend me, break me, anyway you need me-" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NnAHGed2Jk] is quite loud. But what Stewart hears in his head is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MJh2jSkqqA]. 14:24 <VoxPVoxD> Hey, she's actually got a nice voice. He looks vaguely impressed but then suddenly his face sets with focus. 14:26 <VoxPVoxD> "That's really pretty," he says, belatedly and inappropriately considering the song Melanie's actually singing. 14:26 <banana> "-as long as I want you, baby-" Melanie breaks off. She's leaning on one of the warehouse's temporary interior partitions, taking up most of the room between the floor and the makeshift ceiling, trying to sort of merge with the wall out of embarassment. "Thank you. I've, I've performed before, but Nels would be much better..." 14:28 <banana> She can feel the glint and glamour. He's done something, fine, but what? 14:29 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "I learned this contract, see, it's called the Hedge-Busker's Tip. It turns out everyone's being has this sort of vibration that magic can pick up as a song. Like a real-world song. It's easier to use on someone who's already singing." 14:31 <banana> "That doesn't make a lot of sense. Songs are artifacts, human-made - your contract's promise has to be delivering you some sort of impression, a mapping or interpretation." 14:33 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Yeah, but it's still unique to each person. Nels is singing her own song, for instance. Maggie's is by a Canadian folk singer named Stan Rogers." 14:34 <banana> Melanie's heading for the door - this is interesting, but there's a way to go and she doesn't want to have to drive fast. "What if Maggie is Canadian?" 14:35 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart's following. "She could be, I guess. I would've guessed like... Minnesota or something. Which is America's Canada, so." 14:35 <banana> "There could be, basically, there's some sort of fat hobgoblin sitting on a trove of platinum albums and spitting out songs it thinks are appropriate in exchange for whatever price you've paid.. or is it the Wyrd? Does the Wyrd have opinions about music?" 14:35 <banana> "I would not trust its taste." This isn't a joke. 14:36 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "What kind of taste do you think it'd have?" 14:36 <banana> Melanie: "Rigid. We'd be assigned music that's meant to define us, to bind us into what destiny or Keepers or God think we are." 14:41 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "I wonder if your perspective would change if you listened to ten of the songs, or a hundred. Or maybe not. I haven't gotten the impression of songs that define people, exactly, but I've only used it a handful of times." 14:42 <banana> Melanie: "Hmm." A pause. "I don't have enough information on the contractor's motivations here.. can I ask you something instead? Do you know what your own song is?" 14:42 <banana> "Do you want to?" 14:42 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "I don't know what it is. I can't seem to use it on myself and Lauren wouldn't tell me." 14:43 <VoxPVoxD> "I wouldn't mind knowing, but, she promised not to tell me and made me promise not to tell her hers so it feels like I'd be going behind her back somehow." 14:44 <VoxPVoxD> "Do you want to know yours?" 14:44 <banana> "So you would hear it in an ideal world, ok." Who's Lauren again? Better not admit not knowing. "I would be afraid of bias, self-analysis paralysis." 14:44 <banana> "No! Thank you for asking, by the way. But it sounds like.." 14:46 <banana> Melanie: "I associate the idea with, like, theme music in a film? A motif that goes with a character is designed, cinematically, to recall them - it's a memory-impression, sub-cognitive onboarding. So it's used as a way to sum up a person, a character, in a way that you don't consciously consider." 14:46 <banana> "When Darth Vader walks on screen - I don't mean this reference as a computer guy thing. I don't remember a lot of movies." 14:47 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "You're thinking, what if the implicit thesis of the magic is that your song forestalls growth?" 14:48 <banana> Melanie: "Yes, am I being unfair? The idea of someone giving you a pithy description and then leaving it there- what I want to say is, the musical stinger is used, textually, as a lossy descriptor. What Rawls would call a piercing combinator, but fuck Rawls." 14:49 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "To me the question is, does the song change? Can the song change? Can you change the song?" 14:49 <banana> Melanie's accelerated to normal driving speeds, unconsciously matching her excited speech. 14:50 <banana> "Well, that would have implications. Someone's listening in on your.. character, your narrative role. It's either binding or surveillance." 14:51 <banana> "In alia manu, it's just a piece of music. Perhaps the people who first made the contract were just having fun with it." 14:51 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Someone is. Right? Like... the great powers that might watch or interfere with us exist. We've seen them. We know their ignoring us is off the table." 14:53 <banana> Melanie: "Yeah, I guess it is all like that. You can find someone, physically determine their location by paying the appropriate price.. so the world is watching." 14:53 <banana> "I wonder is this move even worthwhile!" 14:54 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Is your rent already free?" 14:54 <VoxPVoxD> He says this jokingly. 14:54 <banana> "Yes. That's the problem." 14:55 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart doesn't understand. "I don't understand." 14:56 <banana> Melanie turns to look at Stewart, really considering him as a guy rather than an.. interaction. Stewart's trustworthy, right? He comes off as someone who has judgement and an instinct to kindness.. 14:56 <banana> "Do you ever watch WNBA?" 14:56 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "No." 14:58 <banana> Melanie: "Okay. There's a player on the Sky, Belanie Lucas.. she's still a rookie. Good enough to be there but not really great." 14:58 <banana> "I don't know if she renamed herself or if I, like, forgot my own name. It is possible. But it's so dumb.. Belanie.. I think it has to be intentional. And she does a lot of stuff like that." 15:00 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "And you've never spoken to her?" 15:03 <banana> "I don't know if we've spoken. I get.. messages. She does things only I would understand, like she knows. And I feel things sometimes, like a William James multiverse skip. I think she gets flashes of me. Did you know I found this car where I left it, hundreds of years ago? But it was returned just before I went to pick it up." 15:04 <banana> "I should have told you. I'm really sorry. I don't know if it's dangerous." 15:04 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "In your position, I'd want to move too." 15:04 <banana> "Do you think it will help? UMBC is paying for my apartment with her scholarship funds." 15:05 <banana> "..but I mean I earned the freaking scholarship. Someone I used to be, not just someone in an alternate moral universe!" 15:06 <banana> Oh hey, we're here. That was faster than going the other way. 15:08 <VoxPVoxD> "Do you think they know what they are the whole time or just if we come back?" 15:09 <banana> Melanie: "I've thought both those things. At length!" 15:11 <banana> Before buzzing them into the apartment, Melanie will knock - hopefully her roommate's out. If not.. probably fine, but she still hopes. 15:17 <VoxPVoxD> Melanie's always been more blunt about the other side than the others. Nels doesn't want to talk about it at all, and Maggie's got that gentle way about her. But Stewart feels like he has to walk through cobwebs without tearing any down. "Who are we waiting for?" 15:19 <banana> "Looks like nobody. I think her name is, um, Cass.. or Katie, something like that, she's just a maths student." Melanie bends (creaks), grabs the beers from the back seat, then unlocks the door . There's not a lot in the duo, and most of the furniture is clearly part of the apartment itself - but there's an ancient CRT television in one corner junk pile, and a much larger plasma TV balanced 15:19 <banana> precariously on a dresser. 15:20 <banana> There's a DVD player hooked up, a pile of merchandise, and yes, it's paused on a huge zoomed still of Belanie Lucas attempting a tackle. The HD is good enough to make out sweatdrops. 15:21 <banana> "Do you want one of these now, or should I put them in the fridge?" 15:22 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart's startled out of looking around (carefully not lingering but also not actively avoiding the screen) by the offer of beer. "Uh, not right now, thanks." 15:23 <banana> "Here's the thing." Melanie's own room is locked, and it's taking her a while to find the right key. Little nimble physical actions like this.. she doesn't like them. "I think she's trying to help me." 15:24 <banana> "However! This might be insanity or simple emotional compromise. So I can't endanger you guys by believing myself." 15:26 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "The Autumn Court has a broadly pro-those guys policy. Like in terms of, uh, rapproachement." 15:27 <banana> Melanie: "The Summer Court... doesn't. But I don't think they care about fetches in Chicago. Though she visits. Have you read any fairy tales?" 15:27 <banana> "I totally, totally understand if not." 15:28 <banana> Melanie means that Belanie visits Baltimore, not Melanie; hopefully that was clear, because she hasn't noticed if it wasn't. 15:29 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Not recently. I liked them as a kid." 15:30 <banana> Melanie: "Ok, I was looking at some and: they should be the ones we call changelings." 15:32 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "...do you think that happens a lot?" 15:32 <VoxPVoxD> "In the story way I mean. Snatching babies from cribs." 15:32 <banana> In Melanie's room there are, as promised, two empty bookcases; a whole bunch of cardboard boxes full of books; and a large square planter filled with loam. No bed. 15:33 <banana> "How, indeed, would we know? There's nothing to come back to, no known home.. you aren't Lost if you adapt. You might be very uncomfortable." 15:34 <banana> "Consider this: hobgoblins. I don't know where they come from - probably someone does, but I don't, which allows for imagination." 15:35 <VoxPVoxD> That thought's a little bit too much for Stewart right now. "Books are always the worst part of moving. Have you ever looked into an e-reader? I've got a Kindle that I like a lot for reading in bed." 15:37 <banana> "I've got a tablet, actually." It was in the first lot somewhere. "It's great for textbooks, but some stuff you can't easily get online. Like I mentioned William James earlier.. everyone praises him, but do they actually read him? Not enough so that he's in print." 15:37 <banana> "And yet, Rawls." 15:37 <VoxPVoxD> "What makes Rawls so bad?" 15:38 <banana> Melanie can't quite fold her arms, but she rubs them against each other glumly before gathering the werewithal to heft a box. 15:40 <banana> Melanie disses Rawls. "He's just such a liberal. The faculty love him, because of course they do- he's an american white guy from the first half of last century who wrote about fairness and neutrality. He makes all these convincing arguments that what really matters is equality of opportunity, and it's explicitly political stuff - he pushed ideas through all these students and magazines." 15:41 <banana> "You see Rawls everywhere in the Democrats' stuff and anywhere an academic is like, I disagree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Imagine if they knew some of the things real people actually say? Or fake people! Imagine the First Amendment for contracts." 15:41 <banana> "I mean, contracts capital-c. Obviously it does apply to actual mundane contracts." 15:42 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "A First Amendment for Contracts is basically a Second Amendment for Contracts." 15:43 <banana> Melanie wonders: would Stewart be interested in the Cypress Society? Probably not; he's more of an interest-taker than interested per se, a sort of renaissance gamer. She thinks. But it's easier to think about people, make assumptions, than to actually get to know them. 15:44 <banana> "Haha. I wonder if the Courts ban, like, weird obscure ritual actions on neutral territory. Like maybe there's a law against turning widdershins in the presence of a king." 15:45 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "'Hit the deck! He's got a metronome!'" 15:45 <banana> The planter is going to have to be dismantled and reassembled, which raises a question: what to do with the soil? 15:46 <banana> Melanie: "I know what you're thinking. Did she recite six yantras or only five?" 15:47 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Is there anything special about the soil?" 15:48 <banana> "No, it's pretty good but I can put together another mix given time. We can dump this stuff, I guess there's a few minerals I'll.. um." 15:49 <banana> "Please forget this now." 15:51 <VoxPVoxD> Fuck! "Oh, yeah, don't worry about it." Stewart should not have called attention to that. 15:53 <banana> Melanie stops scooping dirt into garbage bags for a moment. She's thinking. 15:54 <banana> Also, looking at Stewart in a kind of obvious 'I'm thinking about you' way. 15:54 <VoxPVoxD> "Is... is something wrong?" 15:54 <banana> "I was going to ask that, I think." 15:55 <banana> Melanie: "There's something I've been not noticing." 15:56 <VoxPVoxD> "What do you mean?" 15:56 <banana> "Just now I was embarassed by my, you know, weird bodily functions, tasty soil yum. So I was playing it off with humour, and I know I am bad at that. But I'm not that bad. It seems like you get.. really worried when you think other people are worried." 15:57 <banana> Maybe that's what empathy was like. It rings a kind of emotional bell. 16:02 <VoxPVoxD> Oh no, now he's weirding people out. "It's just hard to tell what hurts and what doesn't." 16:03 <banana> Fervently: "Yes." 16:07 <banana> Since that's sorted out, the only real question here is whether to try for one trip or two... 16:09 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart looks relieved. Everyone's experience is so personal and so idiosyncratic it feels-- Oh, we're moving on. "How are you finding the Summer Court so far?" 16:11 <banana> Melanie: "To tell you the truth, I haven't had enough experience to really answer that. I want to meet more court.. iers? People from the court. And to see what I can do to help, but I think Langford List is enacting some sort of.. plan." 16:12 <banana> "It involves managing who meets who when and what impressions they have of each other, in order to achieve things. I'll be taking notes." 16:13 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Is that the big guy who was playing pool at the thing? With the... bat vibe?" 16:13 <VoxPVoxD> "I helped him with a network latency problem once, but it was all online." 16:16 <banana> "Yeah! He's a thinker, although obviously he can also do Summer stuff. The actual monarch of the court is Young Street, who's basically a barely caged flame. Capable, really good looking, wants what he wants on his own terms. My impression.." Melanie doesn't know enough about the politics. But she wants to learn. "I think it works because what he wants is to take any assholes that come 16:16 <banana> over the Hedge at us, or out of the mundane night, and rip their heads off. It's practical." 16:18 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Sounds intense." 16:19 <banana> Melanie: "I'm looking forward to it. The world is, ehh." 16:20 <banana> "Everything moves fast. I mean, it moves at the normal speed, but that's fast now. It's easy to stand still in the currents, not easy to catch them. So: it helps to be swept along." 16:21 <banana> "Heidegger would say blind currents, the blindstromealltags of everydayness. If you can't navigate you can still participate." 16:23 <banana> Hopefully Stewart doesn't speak German, because Melanie's pronounciation is not good. 16:24 <VoxPVoxD> If he can, he gives no sign. "Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I've been pitching around for odd jobs for the sake of direction. I've got tech support, stuff with the Hollow, I agreed to populate a wiki..." 16:26 <banana> Melanie: "That's the same kind of thing you used to do, right?" 16:26 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "What do you mean?" 16:27 <banana> Melanie: "Different purpose, same activities. You've maintained or resumed your skillset, right?" 16:32 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart hesitates for what feels like a long time. "Not exactly." 16:32 <VoxPVoxD> "Is this everything?" 16:32 <banana> "Oh, okay." Apparently there was no deeper meaning to the question. 16:33 <banana> Melanie: "It's as much as we'll fit in the car. I might have to move the TV another day..." Actually, she should turn it off. There's the remote. 16:34 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Are you going to get on the Hollow media server? We'll be able to stream movies we download direct to your TV over the internal network." 16:36 <banana> Melanie: "That would be very nice. I've been watching too much Netflix - it's an easy way to not do anything while also learning.. basics. Like you know, what the everyday objects are in the world, how people deal with stereotypical situations, as long as those people are movie stars." 16:37 <banana> Turning the key in the yellow Kia's ignition: "I owe relearning to drive to The Fast and the Furious." 16:37 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "They've made so many of those. Last I saw there'd only been two." 16:38 <banana> "We could watch the rest some time.. I don't think I saw them when they came out. Actually, I think I thought cinema was a dead thing for weird olds" 16:41 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "You drive very well for someone who learned from an action movie. You're not driving backwards in the wrong lane while weaving through trucks or jumping over a rising drawbridge or anything." 16:41 <banana> Melanie: "I'm waiting for my theme music to kick in." 16:42 <banana> ... "...okay, what was it?" 16:43 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "It was really chill in a lonesome way. Kind of... spare? I think it was called 'Slow Fall'. I'd never heard it before, and I tried Googling the lyrics a minute ago and I can't find them." 16:44 <banana> Melanie thinks about this. 16:45 <banana> I wish he hadn't t- let's not put it this way. "I wish I hadn't asked that." 16:46 <VoxPVoxD> I wish I hadn't told her. "I'm sorry." 16:47 <VoxPVoxD> "I'm 2 for 4 on upsetting people with that. I should probably stop using it." 16:47 <VoxPVoxD> "Or... telling people? But it can't be right to use it and not tell someone." 16:48 <banana> "Oh boy. You're a Kantian, Stewart." 16:49 <VoxPVoxD> "Duty! Sublime and mighty name that embraces nothing charming or insinuating but requires submission." 16:49 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart blinks. 16:51 <VoxPVoxD> "I don't know where that came from." 16:52 <banana> Melanie: "Kant." 16:52 <banana> "It's the Critique of Pure Reason I think.. if that's unconscious knowledge for you, well, sorry." 16:52 <VoxPVoxD> "Yeah but how do I know that? I never-- did I?" 16:52 <VoxPVoxD> "I can't remember what classes I was taking." 16:54 <banana> "I'm with you there. Though honestly I might not have remembered them anyway, I wasn't much of a student." 16:55 <banana> "The thing is, if, um." Melanie's voice is diffident. It's much more expressive than her actual movements. 16:57 <banana> "I don't know what the motherfuckers did to you but They are, most certainly, deontological ethicists. If I were you I would try to see the merits of white lies." 17:04 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "You think so?" 17:04 <banana> "If you find someone's soul-song interesting or a helpful way to understand them, why not?" 17:05 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "What if I knew a Contract to listen to someone's thoughts. Is that okay?" 17:05 <banana> "And if you don't think they'd like it, or don't want to think about what they'd think, there's no harm being done. Actually, when you invoked the Contract I think it gave me a little boost, like maybe my 'vibration' was being drawn out that way." 17:05 <banana> Melanie: "That sounds incredibly useful." 17:06 <banana> "But think about it this way." 17:06 <banana> "If you tell someone 'I'm reading your thoughts' then sure, they won't trust you." 17:06 <banana> "But it isn't actually possible to win in this situation, not while being totally honest." 17:06 <banana> "What do I think if you tell me, 'I know how to read your thoughts, but I won't do it?'" 17:07 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "So is it unethical to learn?" 17:08 <banana> Firmly: "Absolutely not. Knowledge is a shield and a lifeline, and how you use it is up to you. Owning a weapon doesn't make you a killer, owning an idea doesn't make you an inventor." 17:10 <banana> "The idea of duty is wrong not because orders aren't a valid idea but because they need to be checked by your own human understanding - not delegated to society. You don't owe someone information which would upset them to no end, you don't owe them obedience unless you believe in their cause." Now Melanie's driving like Paul Walker. 17:12 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "So you think that whatever I decide to do, I should stop asking people's permission?" 17:13 <banana> Melanie: "Why jump straight to an absolutist position?" 17:14 <VoxPVoxD> "I mean about this specifically." 17:14 <banana> "Oh, sorry." 17:14 <banana> "Yeah no, um.." 17:15 <banana> "Look, being upset by the idea of having a theme might just be me. But more generally, if you think there's some reason not to tell people it's harmless to keep it from them." 17:16 <banana> "Like.. sometimes I learn things about people by looking at them. It's not important that I go and keep them informed of what I've picked up. If you see a guy with his fly down, yes he'd probably want to know about it, but the experience of actually being told, in the situation you're in... it's hard to judge." 17:18 <VoxPVoxD> It wasn't just you. "It started out like, a party trick. I thought it was a neat idea. And kind of aesthetically pleasing, you know? That everybody has a song. Then I used it without telling someone, and she got upset. Then I used it on you while telling you, and you got upset. I just don't want to upset people." 17:18 <banana> Melanie: "Ehhh. You can't, sorry." 17:19 <banana> "I mean, you can't not upset people. It's too hard. Like.. you're good at it!" 17:19 <banana> "You're a nice and helpful guy who I bet is way less upsetting than average. But it's not possible or even desirable to get 100%." 17:21 <banana> "I'm sitting here, or mostly sitting- bending- with basically zero capability to avoid upset. Maybe I am upsetting you literally right now, I don't know. I used to know exactly when it was appropriate to tell a guy do to his fly up - when it was helpful or funny and when it was going to be an embarassment or a- a comeon. That fluent social instinct wasn't even a learned thing, I just assumed 17:21 <banana> it was obvious? That only dumb people and nerds had to, like, try." 17:22 <banana> "But now- trust me, it is not obvious, and most of us are very fragile, and you're doing fine." 17:22 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "'It's not possible to get 100%' is the worst possible thing for a gamer to hear." 17:22 <banana> Melanie: "Hahahaha!" 17:28 <banana> "Do you want to talk about something else? I need to learn how this media server stuff works." 17:29 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Sure. It'll be pretty simple, the TV in the common area is already hooked up." 17:30 <banana> "I mean, I have a lot of thoughts about the ethics of lies - it comes down to harm avoidance versus benefit to the- cool. Mine's a bit bigger, so we could just swap them out if there isn't room for personal areas.. but. I don't think everyone's going to move in." 17:32 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "Yeah, I'm going to keep my own place." 17:33 <banana> Melanie: "Okay. I think Tony said something about needing to work, too. I'm lucky there.. sort of. This thesis is starting to feel like it will take up about 24 hours a day." 17:34 <VoxPVoxD> "Maybe we can find you a Time-Turner." 17:36 <banana> "Is that a kind of hedge-token? Someone brought a clock into the warehouse, and now the big hand counts the hours while the little one points to the minutes." 17:37 <VoxPVoxD> Stewart: "It's from Harry Potter. It lets you live through each day twice, basically. But something that powerful as a real token would probably have a terrible price." 17:39 <banana> Melanie: "Oh. I tried living through each day a hundred times and it was actually pretty awful." 17:40 <VoxPVoxD> Now that everything's in the Hollow: "Right. Sorry." 17:40 <banana> "You have no idea whether I'm upset now, right? Good! Keep it that way!"